Taipei Times: Why did you become interested in the Yin Ching-feng (
Hsieh Tsung-min (
During this visit, the navy assigned two officers to accompany us -- Captain Yin Ching-feng and Captain Kuo Li-heng (
PHOTO: CHU YU-PING, TAIPEI TIMES
After we returned, Yin remained very friendly with me and Shen and arranged for us to meet with Navy Chief of Staff Admiral Chuang Ming-yao (
TT: How has your understanding of the Yin case changed over the years, especially since it has remained unsolved for so long?
Hsieh: Initially, I thought that the Green Gang (青幫) [an organized crime group with extensive military connections] in the military had killed Yin, but investigators later told me that they believed the Green Gang was not involved.
Later, I came to believe that the case was more likely linked to the French electronics firm Thomson-CSF after investigators discovered that Thomson Taiwan's representative office general manager Andrew Wang Chuan-pu (汪傳浦) and Thomson Japan's general manager Jean-Claude Albessard had left Taiwan shortly after Yin's murder on Dec. 8, 1993.
The special investigative committee has already issued a warrant for the arrest of Andrew Wang on suspicion of murder.
My interest in this aspect of the case was sparked by a report in the Oct. 8 issue of the China Times Weekly, which stated that Yin was murdered at a villa in Chih-shan (
While I cannot be certain about the accuracy of this report, which was supposedly based on information from the special investigation group, I have heard many stories, including that Albessard died in March.
I wanted to understand the whole picture, so I went to Paris last week. We need to listen to all sides of the story, and especially the French side, which we do not often encounter here. So my purpose was to meet people directly related to the case and reporters in France who were covering the case.
TT: The most important people you met were undoubtedly former foreign minster and former president of France's Constitutional Council Roland Dumas and his mistress, Christine Deviers-Joncour.
Hsieh: I found both Dumas and Joncour to be very charming and discussed many aspects of the case, including Dumas' own trial, with them and later with Joncour's lawyer. Dumas related that he had been opposed to the sale on the grounds of France's own national interest, since he believed that China would explode in anger if France sold 12 Lafayettes to Taiwan.
But although he opposed the sale he was the only member of his Cabinet not to visit Taiwan later. Only Dumas has been indicted in relation to the scandal and he feels this is very unfair.
He also told me that French companies paying commissions to foreign governments or individuals in relation to export sales are required to report these payments to the French finance ministry and that the finance ministry has lists of these payments for individuals in Taiwan, the People's Republic of China and the US.
Dumas also suggested methods by which we could get copies of the list for Taiwan. I later met with his lawyer who proposed that we could first use administrative or diplomatic channels or file a legal suit.
While I initially felt that it would be best for President Chen Shui-bian (
TT: How important is this list to the cracking of these two cases?
Hsieh: The list of those in Taiwan who allegedly received commissions would obviously be a decisive piece of evidence, especially in the Lafayette case, by indicating who was earmarked to receive kickbacks. At present no one in Taiwan has seen this list, so we cannot say definitely whose name is or is not mentioned.
Besides exposing those involved in wrongdoing, acquisition of the Taiwan list would also give people who actually did not, in fact, take any kickbacks a chance to clear their names.
Cracking the murder of Captain Yin will remain difficult due to the lack of direct evidence. In addition to Jean-Claude Albessard, another person who could have had knowledge of the case, Thierry Imbot [the son of a former French intelligence chief who was in Taipei from 1989-94 as a "special officer" of the French commercial office in Taipei], died under mysterious circumstances in October in South Africa.
TT: What would be the political impact of breaking these cases in Taiwan?
Hsieh: If these cases can be solved, we will be able to expose many negative aspects of the military procurement system of the past and be more able to prevent future abuses. Resolution of these cases would also be of great benefit in restoring public confidence in the military and raising morale in the ranks of the armed services.
The loyalty of the armed forces to the constitutionally elected government is a critical factor for political stability, and therefore I advocate that amnesty be granted to officers implicated in the Lafayette case so long as they come forward and reveal the true story.
Without such an amnesty or pardon, it will be difficult to overcome remaining fears in the military regarding the attitude of the new government.
We should acknowledge the contribution of these officers to Taiwan's national security by achieving the difficult task of securing the purchase of these ships, even though the methods that were used were not legal or even honorable.
The Lafayette case is a problem left by the old system and we should aim to resolve it and the damage it has caused by striving for "truth and reconciliation," as former South African President Nelson Mandela advocated after the end of the South African apartheid regime.
We want to know the full and real story, but what is most important is reconciliation.
Hsieh Tsung-min is one of the three co-authors of the 1964 book, Declaration of Taiwan Self-Salvation, along with National Taiwan University law Professor Peng Ming-min (
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